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post Jun 11 2010, 08:29 PM
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Is there any value in spirituality? As an atheist you may expect me to say no; but if I'm being honest, I'd have to consider myself a spiritual person. Of course I'm not talking about some ghostly ethereal soul that lives inside my body. There's no reason to think there's anything like that. I'm talking about the essence of human. There aren't many words in our language that capture what that is. at least for me. And so I use the word spirit, in the same way I use the phrase bless you. For rhetoric's sake. I can only describe it as the action or ability to see beauty. to feel wonder. and to be in awe.
Religion and all groups faith of course serve only to prostitute the awe, and the mystery we all feel as humans. they bottle our essence and try putting lid on the wonder we naturally feel. They fail of course. Religion points to the man behind the curtain in an attempt answer the mystery. when in reality, there is no man. the mystery is just that. a mystery.
But even though I don't believe in the supernatural, I try to be as honest as I can to myself, about my spirituality.
On my trip out west just a couple months ago I remember a moment standing in a field that looked up at the grand tetons. the tetons in wyoming are these massive glacier capped mountains that just cut into the sky. I remember thinking to myself. Something much greater than me must have caused this. I know it. I also remember sleeping out underneath a cool and clear sky next to the dunes in white sands national park. Looking up all I could see was just a pile of stars. More than I'd ever understood to exist. Looking at them all, still and perfect, and vast beyond my ability to comprehend, I felt uncommonly humble. And grateful just to be alive.
There are moments when I'm with good friends, where it just feels good to breath. The taste of chilled apple butter on a warm buttermilk biscuit is often more than delicious, to me it feels enlightening. And a soft kiss to me can honestly stop time and space.
At times I can be so overwhelmed by the sensation of being alive, that I cry. or I laugh. or I scream. or I just breath deeply.
And no, I never once imagine that to be supernatural. I understand, that the thing that is so much greater than me, to have caused the Tetons has a name. and it's called plate tectonics.
That being humble is simply the feeling of recognizing the reality of ones small significance to a universe so massive. And being grateful to be alive doesn't require a person to be grateful toward.
I recognize that being happy in a comfortable social setting is a evolutionary trait of my species. That my body naturally craves specific foods for nutritional or maybe even psychological reasons. And that the intoxication of romance is most likely driven by the need to procreate.
But I am one with the universe. Not metaphysically, but physically. I am as much the universe as a supernova. made of the same particles, governed by the same forces. I am Genes that mutated randomly, then were selected naturally based on their success at survival.
And I love applebutter on a biscuit. I collapse in awe at the magnificence of this place. I crave romance. and I breath appreciation for it all..
I have to, with all my essence. with all my spirit. because imagine, in all the universe, we may be the only things that can, and that's beautiful.


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post Jun 11 2010, 08:55 PM
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post Jun 12 2010, 07:08 PM
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post Jun 12 2010, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (clovnul junglei @ Jun 11 2010, 11:29 PM) *
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Religion and all groups faith of course serve only to prostitute the awe, and the mystery we all feel as humans. they bottle our essence and try putting lid on the wonder we naturally feel. They fail of course. Religion points to the man behind the curtain in an attempt answer the mystery. when in reality, there is no man. the mystery is just that. a mystery.
But even though I don't believe in the supernatural, I try to be as honest as I can to myself, about my spirituality.
(...)
There are moments when I'm with good friends, where it just feels good to breath. The taste of chilled apple butter on a warm buttermilk biscuit is often more than delicious, to me it feels enlightening. And a soft kiss to me can honestly stop time and space.
At times I can be so overwhelmed by the sensation of being alive, that I cry. or I laugh. or I scream. or I just breath deeply.
(...)
But I am one with the universe. Not metaphysically, but physically. I am as much the universe as a supernova. made of the same particles, governed by the same forces. I am Genes that mutated randomly, then were selected naturally based on their success at survival.
And I love applebutter on a biscuit. I collapse in awe at the magnificence of this place. I crave romance. and I breath appreciation for it all..
I have to, with all my essence. with all my spirit. because imagine, in all the universe, we may be the only things that can, and that's beautiful.[/i]</font>

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CJ,

Multumesc mult! Este printre cele mai faine si mai pline sens dedicatii pe care le-am primit!

Din pacate, cel mai adesea, formele de religie existente sunt ca in descrierea de mai sus, promotorii lor inchipuindu-si ca cele mai inalte si bogate trairi spirituale umane pot fi fabricate, reglementate si induse dupa retete prestabilite. Sunt cu totul pentru gasirea semnificatiilor adanci in cotidian (ceva numit de cineva poetica urbana), pentru manifestarea libera a simtamintelor ca mod de a ne adanci spiritualitatea si de a o invita sa inceapa sa salasluiasca in viata noastra, si pentru dreptul fiecaruia de a-si gasi propriile poteci spre experientele extatice pentru care si-a format gusturile, in orice forma ar fi aceste experiente: religioase, stiintifice, gastronomice, artistice, coreografice (incluzand aici dansatul la disco), sportive (inclusiv Cupa Mondiala 2010) si toate celelalte variante, oricat de abstracte sau de senzual-hedoniste; toate acestea fiind privite cu realism, prin optica acelor adevaruri fundamentale la care avem acces acum si fara discursuri avantat-naive.


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post Jun 14 2010, 10:27 PM
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Si eu iti multumesc, study_nature!
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post Jun 14 2010, 10:57 PM
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CJ,
ca raspuns muzical in ton cu postarea ta despre spiritualitatea independenta de teism ti-as da aceasta piesa.
Sper s-o savurezi daca n-o stii deja.


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post Aug 3 2010, 06:44 AM
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Mai multe despre sunet si auz aici. Si o mostra din concert.



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post Oct 29 2010, 03:48 PM
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Prezentarea dinamica si animata (si la propriu si la figurat) a lui Daniel Pink despre motivatie ar putea sa ofere cateva inceputuri de raspunsuri la intrebari precum "De ce se ofera oamenii sa lucreze ca voluntari?", "Cum de multi se investesc pe ei insisi in crearea si mentinerea blogurilor?", "Cum de a fost posibil sa apara Linux?"


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post Nov 12 2010, 07:19 PM
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post Dec 9 2010, 03:13 PM
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"De aici avem trei optiuni: ori incercam sa reinventam evanghelia pe baza logica (creationismul stiintific vine in minte) ori acceptam adevarul revelat ca alt gen de adevar decat cel stiintific (teologia dialectica), ori acceptam evanghelia ca o experienta mistica, cum fac intelectualii din ortodoxie.
Ai dreptate cu privire la dilema pe care o pune timpul geologic si selectia naturala. Chiar daca acceptam evolutionismul teist a la Theillard de Chardin sau Francis Collins, ce facem cu Dumnezeul Biblic? (Intre noi vorbind, pentru unii Dumnezeul Vechiului Testament este mai greu de digerat decat indiferenta naturii fata de suferinta).
In ce ma priveste cred ca problema are o premisa falsa. Moartea, asa cum o inteleg crestinii are la baza o definitie pre-stiintifica a vietii. Mai intai, exista forme de viata despre care Geneza nu vorbeste. Exista moarte intre bacterii inainte de cadere. Daca da, organismele cele mai complexe sunt simple colonii de bacterii. Daca nu, probabil ca nici celulele plantelor nu puteau fi mancate.
Cum ar fi fost edenul daca fiecare specie se inmultea exponential si nu exista moarte? Probabil un iad de insecte, batracieni, reptile, soareci si plante sufocandu-se reciproc dar incapabile sa moara. Intrebarea este daca nu cumva conceptul nostru de mantuire se bazeaza pe “basme evreiesti si babesti” cum spune Pavel. Ceea ce insemneaza ca suntem in cautare.
Ceea ce am prezentat eu este o expunere (cred eu) corecta a evangheliei lui Pavel bazata pe exegeza textului. Daca imi ceri sa articulez aceasta intelegere intr-o conceptie despre lume moderna, recunosc ca nu posed inca raspunsul, dar sunt in cautare. Ceea ce nu accept eu este respingerea tabloului stiintific al lumii in numele ignorantei si superstitiei cu pretentii filozofice."
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In closing, let's see how Yahweh/Jesus stands up to his own standards. In Matthew 26:41-46, we hear the King, "Next he will say to those on his left hand, 'Go away from me, with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you never gave me food; I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink; I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, naked and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me.' ... And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life."

Yahweh does not feed the hungry; he does not give drink to those who thirst; he dispenses no clothes, and lets the faithful sicken and die. In the light of this, Yahweh himself is the worst of sinners; if there is no double standard, he will be at the head of that line into eternal punishment. He is guilty of almost every crime of which he accuses the damned.

I do not believe in the reality of Jehovah, except as a psychological phenomenon, but if I did believe I would not worship that horror. It could send me to the Hell it's made for those it dislikes, and if there were no other choice but worshipping it, I would walk in proudly.


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post Dec 12 2010, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE (clovnul junglei @ Dec 12 2010, 10:02 PM) *
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Pare extrem de promitator, interfata fb, vorbitori barosani, teme atractive smile.gif

M-as uita la interviul cu Craig Venter, spre exemplu.

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Nu cred ca v-am mai trimis aici. O veche, buna prietena mi-a dat linkul nu demult. Mi-a adus aminte de propria copilarie.


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haha. cred ca toti am facut asta macar o data. smile.gif


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