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post Feb 8 2011, 12:48 PM
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Ce zici tu e foarte adevarat, din pacate. Am un prieten exact in situatia asta. (Si nu, nu e de pe forum smile.gif )


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post Feb 20 2011, 07:38 PM
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un clip foarte interesant subtitrat in limba romana:



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post Feb 21 2011, 07:18 PM
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post Feb 21 2011, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (bnc @ Feb 21 2011, 09:18 PM) *


great job, bnc!


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post Feb 21 2011, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (icsicsics @ Feb 21 2011, 08:38 PM) *
great job, bnc!




subscriu impreuna cu toata gramada mea de neuroni smile.gif !!!
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post Feb 23 2011, 09:38 AM
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Martin, ai vazut documentarul de mai sus?
Io as fi amintit-o si pe EGW printre cei studiati.


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post Feb 24 2011, 10:50 AM
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Sunt amintite adesea in contul divinitatii vindecarile miraculoase ale unor pacienti diagnosticati cu variate tipuri de cancer avansat. Intr-adevar, au loc asemenea fenomene denumite medical regresii spontane, dar sunt foarte rare si nu sunt datorate rugaciunii sau medicinei alternative, ci unor mecanisme inca insuficient cunoscute, dar care apartin domeniului oncologiei si care vor putea fi intelese cu uneltele si in termenii ei.

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Spontaneous regression of proven cancer was defined by Everson and Cole in 1966 as a complete or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malignant disease without any medical treatment or in the presence of therapy which is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regression.5 6 Estimates put the rate of spontaneous regression at approximately 1 in 60 000–100 000 people with cancer; two thirds of these occur in malignant melanoma, renal cell cancer, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, chronic lymphocytic leukaemia and neuroblastoma in children.
Sursa: citata mai jos


Spre exemplu, intr-un recent case report aparut in British Medical Journal (si atasat de mine in format pdf pentru cei care vor sa-l acceseze fara sa se inregistreze pe site-ul BMJ), se relateaza despre o femeie in varsta de 81 de ani care a fost descoperita ca avand cancer pulmonar de tip non-small cel (NSCLC). Foarte putini pacienti cu acest tip de cancer se bucura de regresii spontane:

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Spontaneous regression of cancer is a rare event in general, with incidence estimated to be <0.001% and less than 10 such cases of advanced NSCLC have been reported in the past 60 years.


La sectiunea de discutii a articolului, se amintesc mai multe potentiale mecanisme care sa explice vindecarea pacientei respective, inclusiv un remediu alternativ pe baza de plante. Pacat ca administrarea lui a fost inceputa dupa ce deja fusese evidentiata radiologic ameliorarea tumorii:

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Another possible explanation is that the regression was related to the alternative herbal remedy Essiac that the patient was taking. Essiac is a combination product of four herbs (burdock root, sheep sorrel, slippery elm bark and Turkey rhubarb), although the exact formulation is a proprietary secret. Proponents of Essiac claim that it strengthens the immune system, relieves pain and may reduce tumour size and prolong the lives of people with all types of cancer; however, multiple scientific investigations have yet to yield any evidence for any of these effects.18 It should also be noted that this patient had already shown radiological improvement of her tumour at the time of starting this preparation (radiological improvement was first noted June 2009, while she started taking Essiac in September 2009).

 


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-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his nephew Peter Carr, from Paris, August 10, 1787; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 900-906.
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post Feb 24 2011, 11:00 AM
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Ms study!


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post Feb 24 2011, 01:59 PM
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@bnc,

nu merge subtitrarea la Brain Story. Cel putin la mine nu a mers, nici pe forum, nici pe youtube.


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post Feb 24 2011, 02:06 PM
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Merge. Trebuie activata de la butonasul ala rosu de scrie pe el "CC" tongue.gif


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post Mar 4 2011, 09:55 AM
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Se incadreaza asta oare la "experiente paranormale" de povestit la atei si necredinciosi, pentru a prevesti ca sfarsitul e aproape?
Sigur ca daaa.



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post Mar 4 2011, 10:54 AM
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Ii dadeam un sut la matza de afis o faceam de un perete, sa vezi cum zburau demonii din ea smile.gif)

O puneam de o exorcizare diablo.gif


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post Mar 11 2011, 12:32 AM
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Despre supranatural, mai pe scurt şi mai pe larg n acelaşi timp:


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post Mar 27 2011, 10:32 PM
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Stiati ca Houdini era un fel de James Randi al epocii interbelice? Ia aruncati un ochi aici si aici.

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Eric Weisz, better known to the world as Harry Houdini, was born on this date in 1874. Famous for his feats as an escape artist and magician, Houdini also became one of the most crusading anti-spiritualists of the 1920s. Because of his familiarity with the illusions of stage magic and sleight of hand, Houdini was particularly adept at spotting the trickery that the so-called psychics and spirit mediums then hawking their services as conduits to the afterlife to the credulous grieving public commonly used. (Can you imagine anyone being foolish enough to fall for such predatory charlatanry today?)

That turn in Houdini’s career led him to collaborate with Scientific American on a lengthy expos of spiritualism. Scientific American had offered a $5,000 reward to any medium who could satisfy its panel of investigators, which included Houdini, two of the magazine’s editors (J. Malcolm Bird and Austin C. Lescaboura) and others, that his or her paranormal gifts were genuine. [cititi mai departe la primul link]


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Houdini was trying to disabuse Sir Arthur Conan Doyle of his own spiritualist inclinations. Conan Doyle was not the paragon of rationality and reason that one might assume the creator of Sherlock Holmes would be: he had a soft spot for mediums. (It tends to make one think of Holmes’s famous dictum that “when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth” in a somewhat different light.) Nevertheless, because Houdini and Conan Doyle had come to be friends, Houdini wanted to open the author’s eyes to the psychic frauds, and so he staged a demonstration that he hoped would do the trick.
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Houdini then explained that he had done the whole thing through simple trickery and implored Conan Doyle to give up his spiritualist beliefs. Alas, he failed: not only did Conan Doyle continue to believe in mediums but he suspected that Houdini knowingly or unknowingly used his own supernatural gifts in the performance of his escape acts. [sursa: tot primul link]


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-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his nephew Peter Carr, from Paris, August 10, 1787; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 900-906.
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post Mar 28 2011, 07:25 AM
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Pai, daca ati vazut macar una dintre ecranizarile Houdini - cred ca Death Defying Acts e cea mai recenta - trebuie sa fi avut o idee smile.gif


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post Mar 31 2011, 02:10 PM
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Va dati seama ce mare mi-a fost mirarea cand, acum cateva zile, la putin timp dupa ce vorbisem de Houdini, am intalnit aceasta prezentare de caz medicala cat se poate de serioasa (gasita pe Medscape - se poate accesa dupa o inregistrare gratuita):

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The patient, a 52-year-old previously healthy, high-profile, death-defying escape artist and magician, was in excellent health until he felt an abrupt onset of abdominal pain during one of his stage performances. Of note, about 3-4 hours prior to the first symptoms of abdominal pain, he had been punched several times in the abdomen.

Because of a busy performance schedule, the patient did not seek medical attention for about 48 hours after he first noted the onset of abdominal pain. By that time, when examined by a general practitioner, he appeared acutely ill and weak, with a temperature of 102F. There was marked abdominal tenderness, especially in the right lower quadrant.

The patient was admitted to a local hospital where he underwent an emergency abdominal operation. Additional information about any laboratory tests and diagnostic procedures performed prior to surgery are unknown.


Partea tragi-comica este dezvaluita mai jos:

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a few astute physician readers (comments #2 and #3) correctly identified the patient as Houdini, the nom de plume of Ehrich Weiss, the legendary magician and escape artist. Weiss, who was born in Hungary, began his career doing fairly standard magic acts but became famous for his daring death-defying escape acts. Houdini, although not a large man, was extremely muscular. Just before a 1926 performance in Montreal, Houdini allowed a medical student at McGill University to punch him in the stomach to prove the strength of his abdominal muscles. Houdini's symptoms of appendicitis, which eventually proved fatal, developed soon afterwards.


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Traumatic appendicitis has always been a questionable diagnosis, but Houdini's insurance company believed the association to be real, paying a generous accidental death settlement to his wife Bess, who in addition to being his wife was his faithful stage assistant. She lived another 17 years before dying at age 67 from a heart attack.




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-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his nephew Peter Carr, from Paris, August 10, 1787; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 900-906.
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post May 19 2011, 09:22 PM
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Deci....ce Dungeons&Dragons e tot pe aici. Daca joci Wizard in D&D...fug Clerics de tine. Ai parte numa de Warriors cu tendinte evident destructive. Sa fie asa si-n realitate?smile.gif)


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post Oct 6 2011, 06:03 PM
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Supernatural explanations just don't occur to kids - they need to be taught them


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