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post Mar 29 2013, 11:34 AM
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Eight years ago my family and I moved to Hollywood to begin what has become the most rewarding and inspiring chapter of our lives. Our family has thrived in this urban, spiritual community commited to peace, love and justice.

Sadly, this phase of this experiment is coming to an end. This Sabbath will be my last Sabbath as the Pastor of the Hollywood Adventist Church. Hours and hours of conversations have led to this point but here is the short version.

Some of the leadership decisions I have made have led the Southern California Conference administration to the conclusion that they cannot trust me to lead this church as a Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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Under Bellís leadership, the Hollywood congregation has attracted a young and diverse membership, thriving in its urban setting. Thus, the pastor, the church and the conference all have a lot riding on this meeting.
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post Mar 29 2013, 02:09 PM
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Si care-i motivul concedierii? Ca eu nu m-am prins...
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post Mar 29 2013, 03:00 PM
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Si care-i motivul concedierii? Ca eu nu m-am prins...


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Florin Laiu ē 3 hours ago −
The right direction was set by Jesus, by Moses and Prophets. Anything else is apostasy. But it's not a new thing.


Florin Laiu raspunde in deplina cunostinta de cauza, ca unul caruia de curand i-a fost arata directia corecta. Acum, din moment ce Jesus si Moses e clar cine sunt, ramane ca profetii sunt membrii comitetelor si comitiilor care decid prin vot (sub inspiratie, desigur) care-i directia, cine e si cine nu e pe ea.



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post Mar 29 2013, 03:11 PM
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Laiu parca e de-o vreme in competitia pentru postul de mare inchizitor.


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post Mar 29 2013, 03:41 PM
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Nu stiu care e apostazia de care se face vinovat pastorul respectiv, nici nu ma intereseaza foarte tare. Poate-i iezuit infiltrat (ca tot il acuza unii de nu stiu ce asemanare cu catolicii). Cert e ca drumul spre cetatea de aur e presarat cu victime ale burtosilor (nu-mi apartine termenul, cineva de pe forum l-a lansat) care considera ca au adventimul original cu eticheta, primit mostenire de la tata lor, si oricine nu corespunde trebuie curatat din Biserica dreptei directii, caci numai asa se va putea incheia lucrarea and so on and so forth. Unele dintre victime sunt nume cunoscute, cum e pastorul Bell, iar Florin Laiu ar putea intra si el pe lista asta, ca sa fie pe amandoua. Pe langa ei, o gramada de anonimi, carora li se spune "cei care nu cred ca noi nu mai are rost sa vina aici, nici macar pentru cantare" (citat apoximativ, caz concret). Toti acestia trebuie sa stie ca nu sunt singuri, ca nu ajunge sa pretinzi ca ai cablu direct la Jesus, Moses si profetii ca sa-l si ai cu adevaratelea, ca adevarul nu se decide prin vot si ca, cel mai probabil, nu au luat-o razna, chiar daca toata lumea insista sa-i convinga de lucrul asta.


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post Mar 30 2013, 05:51 PM
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Se pare ca fratele e prea progresiv pentru spiritul bunei biserici advente, manifestat prin fratii alesi in duhul la sesiunea conferintei generale.

Website-ul bisericii anunta rularea unui film pro-gay (seventh-gay adventist), asta e un pacat mortal de top.
Apoi vad un alt banner despre prevenirea violentei datorate armelor. Or se stie ca orice bun crestin are o arma, nu cea a duhului, pregatita (mi-am adus aminte de o replica din filmul Heartbreak Kid - "This is Bible-Belt, they have guns!").


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post Mar 30 2013, 06:18 PM
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Pana la urma, care este temeiul pe care se decide ca ceva este sau nu este adventism sau ca adventismul nu poate fi intr-un anume fel si nu in altul?


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post Mar 30 2013, 07:24 PM
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Cum care? La lege si la marturie!
Pentru mai multa siguranta putem adauga Manualul, Cele 28 de .., declaratiile oficiale ale GC, etc.


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post Mar 30 2013, 07:29 PM
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Inca o "bila neagra" pentru fratele ex-pastor in districtul Holywood: Our God Is Undocumented , un articol in favoarea imigrantilor, criticand politica USA pe tema asta.

Nu e nevoie sa reamintesc faptul ca xenofobia e la mama ei in randul crestinismului fundamentalist american, care alta data spanzura negrii satui de sclavie, la festivaluri KKK

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Am mai gasit niste articole in care fratele se face "vinovat" de prea multa atitudine LGBT friendly
Until We Have Faces: Stories of Violent Homophobia In Paradise
Seventh-day Adventists To LGBT Members: 'It Gets Better!'

Era clar ca urma sa fie linsat!


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post Apr 4 2013, 09:06 AM
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Si continuarea.

Interesant ce intelege omul prin adventism.

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