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Biblia necenzurata, chestii la care nici nu ai indraznit sa te gandesti
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post May 30 2010, 02:34 PM
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A aparut pe forum zilele trecute un material extrem de interesant, amuzant dar in acelasi timp bine documentat, referitor la scenele controversate din biblie, insuficient tratate, ocolite chiar de predicatorii nostri.
Va invit sa studiati materialul de mai jos, si sa purtam o discutie pe aceasta tema, sau mai precis, pe temele tratate in capitolele cartii "The Uncensored Bible".

Titlurile capitolelor:
1. Din care os a fost facuta Eva? naughty.gif
2. Cunoasterea binelui si raului se referea la sex?
3. Care a fost blestemul Evei?
4. A fost Cain un om deprimat?
5. Ne incurajeaza oare Biblia sa ne inecam amarul cu bere?
6. A trimis-o oare Avraam pe Sara "la produs"?
7. Era toaleta trapa de evacuare a lui Ehud?
8. Era Onan un l@b@giu? (scuze, dar asa scrie in engleza)
9. Ce facea Isaac cand Rebeca l-a vazut intaia oara?
10. L-a lovit Dumnezeu pe Iacob sub centura?
11. Avea David "gura bogata"?
12. Porunceste Biblia epilatul inghinal?
13. A fost Jael o "Dominatrix"?
14. Folosea Iacob jucarii sexuale?
15. Era David invidios pe penisurile altora?
16. Iosif - un travestit?
17. S-a casatorit Dina cu violatorul ei?
18. Lot isi abuza fiicele?
19. A fost Isaac molestat de Ismael?
20. Avea Moise porniri sinucigase?
21. Rut si Boaz au facut sex in arie?
22. Folosea Iacob Viagra antica?
23. Samson si Dalila erau sado-maso?

Sper ca v-am starnit interesul smile.gif
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post May 30 2010, 02:45 PM
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De o problematica asemanatoare celei din Biblia necenzurata este pasionat si Roland Boer, ale carui idei le puteti cunoaste accesand blogul sau, Stalin's Moustache. Acest domn a si scris mai multe articole serioase, dintre care cel intitulat The Patriarch’s Nuts a fost respins nu demult de cei de la The Tyndale Bulletin. Dar nu i s-au inecat corabiile de tot caci va tine o prelegere cu acelasi titlu pe 14 iunie la Chinese University of Hong Kong (asta in cazul in care vreti sa stiti ce se mai intampla prin lume). smile.gif

PS: Iael este o ea!


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post May 30 2010, 04:14 PM
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Da, interesanta carte. Sunt pe la jumatate cu cititul. Autorii au un stil incredibil, iesit din tipare. Ce-i drept ma ajut continuu de urban dictionary si de alte surse de slang ca sa ii inteleg smile.gif

Abordarea temelor se face cu bun simt, fara sa se impuna un punct de vedere.
O sa revin cu detalii si teme de discutie. Pana la ora asta am devenit convins ca e nevoie de un topic in care sa adunam eufemismele din Biblie. Traduceri se gasesc peste tot insa intelegerea unui text e legata, de multe ori, de intelegerea eufemismelor. Poate ca va iesi ceva de aici.


PS. Eretik, titlurile suna mai bine in engleza laugh.gif


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post May 30 2010, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (Ianis @ May 30 2010, 07:14 PM) *
PS. Eretik, titlurile suna mai bine in engleza laugh.gif


Da clar. E la fel si cu imnurile traduse si cantarile de cor.

Totusi, zic ca ar merita tradusa cartea integral.
Romanii adora astfel de scrieri. Poate si-ar mai lua ochii de pe Capatos.


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post May 30 2010, 08:26 PM
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Cred ca traducerea l-ar pune in dificultate pana si pe poli smile.gif. Textul e plin de slang, eufemisme si replici din filme. Cum altfel s-ar putea vorbi fara perdea despre subiecte atat de delicate. Am terminat-o de citit, o sa revin cu ceva impresii


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post May 30 2010, 08:44 PM
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Da, e destul de colorat. Savuros dar greu pentru cei care nu sunt bine pusi la punct cu engleza.
Ideea ca Avraam a fost "peste" e destul sa tii dictionarul langa tine. smile.gif


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post May 30 2010, 09:24 PM
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Cateva culori si nuante smile.gif:

Cap 7 Ehud la buda

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We haven稚 dealt yet with poop, so we池e excited
to finally get to this chapter. This next case of 的s that really
in the Bible? reads like a TV crime drama script infused with tasteless
details by a potty-obsessed five-year-old. If the movie [i]Psycho[/i]
kept a generation of people from taking showers for fear of being
stabbed by Norman Bates, this chapter may accomplish the same
thing for latrines.


Cap 15 - David cel invidios

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Huffmon痴 idea that David cut off their entire penises works, except
for one thing耀hrinkage. Penises, as we learned earlier, have
no bones. When severed (or when simply unmotivated), they wilt
like lettuce in the noonday sun. From that perspective, they make
poor trophies. What began as a cartful of stacked cucumbers in the
morning would, by evening, look like a sad pile of dead slugs



Cap 18 Lot, abuzat sau abuzor?

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Lot knew (that痴 a pun) the town well enough to know (there it is
again) that the two strangers might as well have hung fresh meat
signs around their necks. After inviting the angels-in-disguise to his
home, he 砥rged them strongly not to spend the night in the town
square.1 The angels complied, and sure enough, the other men of
the city began buzzing around Lot痴 house like flies on a dung heap,
demanding that he bring out his visitors so they could rape (literally
徒now) them.
Ever the dutiful host, Lot begged his neighbors to back off and
then offered them his daughters instead of his guests. Why he did
this, we don稚 know. Perhaps he had skipped a few parenting classes.
But it痴 possible that ancient readers would not have viewed this with
the same horror as we do. They might have thought Lot was simply
being a good host. In any case, the men of Sodom didn稚 want Lot痴
daughters. They wanted the new guys.



Cap 21 - Rut in actiune

CODE
So what did Ruth uncover? Nielsen thinks the answer is (ta-dah!)
Ruth herself. She proposes that what we witness in this story is Ruth痴
滴ello, big boy moment. This is not explicit in the text, but Nielsen
says the context and other texts in the Bible indicate that Ruth was
communicating her availability and showing Boaz the goods.




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post Jun 22 2010, 10:50 PM
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eretik, recomanda-mi si mie un pasaj din biblia asta noua pt devotionalul de azi . m-am cam plictisit de Cornilescu...
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post Jun 23 2010, 07:41 AM
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Nu cred ca se potriveste wink2.gif


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QUOTE (caldicel @ Jun 23 2010, 01:50 AM) *
eretik, recomanda-mi si mie un pasaj din biblia asta noua pt devotionalul de azi . m-am cam plictisit de Cornilescu...

Daca vrei cu adevarat, poti (sa folosesti si asemenea abordari proaspete in scopuri devotionale). Dar tind sa cred ca prejudecata aceasta cum ca Biblia trebuie sa slujeasca (in primul rind) scopuri devotionale este neproductiva, provenind (in primul rind) din faptul ca predicarea in majoritatea bisericilor crestine este superficiala.


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post Oct 29 2010, 08:58 PM
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Cautarea adevarurilor teologiei biblice invinge multe obstacole in lumea academica. Chiar azi s-a anuntat o victorie de felul acesta (peripetiile sunt povestite, pas cu pas, in mai multe postari de pe blogul indicat):

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Prophetic Texts and Their Ancient Contexts
11/20/2010
4:00 PM to 6:30 PM
Room: Inman – Hyatt Regency (Atlanta)

Theme: Prophecy and Gender in the Bible and Beyond

Jonathan Stkl, University of Cambridge, Presiding
Roland Boer, University of Newcastle – Australia
Too Many Dicks at the Writing Desk, or, How to Organise a Prophetic Sausage-Fest (15 min)
Dale Launderville, Saint John’s University
Gender, Purity, and Power in Ezekiel’s Priestly Vision (15 min)
Corrine Carvalho, University of Saint Thomas
Prophecy and the Single Man: Marital Status and Gender in Jeremiah and Ezekiel (15 min)
Discussion (30 min)
Esther Hamori, Union Theological Seminary
Women and Divination in Biblical Narrative (15 min)
Martti Nissinen, University of Helsinki
Gender and Prophetic Agency in the Ancient Eastern Mediterranean (15 min)
Ilona Zsolnay, University of Pennsylvania
Can the Masculine Mesopotamian King be a Feminine Vessel? (15 min)
Discussion (30 min)


Lucrarea evidentiata in textul de mai sus poate fi citita pe Scribd, mai jos:

Too Many Dicks at the Writing Desk, or How to Organise a Prophetic Sausage-Fest


PS: Va povestisem de Roland Boer, autorul acestui text, chiar in prima mea postare de la acest topic. Se pare ca perseverenta lui in scrierea unor articole neconventionale a fost rasplatita. Sunt curios daca va reusi sa-si sustina pana la urma prelegerea. smile.gif


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-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his nephew Peter Carr, from Paris, August 10, 1787; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 900-906.
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