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Constiinta, glasul lui D-zeu?
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post Dec 31 2010, 11:20 AM
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Dimpotriva...stiinta explica destul de simplu cum constiinta ia forma. Prin memorie. Concluziile din urma experientelor, impactul experientelor asupra unui individ lasa urme. Luam totul ca un exercitiu simplu. Ca si copil nu m-am astamparat pana nu am pus mana pe oala incinsa si m-am ars. Rezultatul, am stiut sa nu mai fac. Deja rutina umana se schimba in urma unor experiente si concluzii. Prin acele mici schimbari modul de gendire se schimba. Sau ai crezut ca e un proces complicat care se intinde spre o fantana magica, deci inexplicabila. Fiecare actiune, fiecare amintire, fiecare gand si gest iti sculpteaza codul numit "constiinta" pe baza caruia actionezi acum. Constiinta nu e de natura crestina si nu are vreo conexiune cu vreo forta divina. A spune asta, inlocuiesti ratiunea cu magia, si renunti in mod direct la acel ceva ce te face om. E doar un gand.
Daca iti privesti actiuniile ca un rezultat atunci automat exista o cauza, iar cauza se imparte frumos in diferite capitole...origine->actiune->concluzie=cauza. Constiinta e propria memorie. E o diferenta intre constiinta si personalitate, amandoua tin de memorie. Personalitatea se construieste prin preferinte si dezvoltare continua pe cand constiinta e un rezultat al trecutului. Constiinta exista in trecut si se modifica in prezent...nu te nasti cu ea.


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post Jun 22 2011, 08:51 PM
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Din seria dezvaluiri socante si senzationale:
Daniel Dennett, Doctor Honoris Causa al Universitatii Bucuresti: "Exista un suflet. Este alcatuit din 100 de trilioane de celule si nimic altceva. Si asta e bine, pentru ca suntem mecanisme formidabile"


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"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his nephew Peter Carr, from Paris, August 10, 1787; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 900-906.
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post Jun 22 2011, 09:27 PM
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in curind o sa citim stirea pe site-uri crestine [gen ST]: dennett, ateist notoriu, recunoaste: "exista suflet. si asta e bine."


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post Sep 19 2011, 10:12 PM
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Da, constiinta este glasul lui Dumnezeu! Iata cum:

People often reason egocentrically about others’ beliefs, using their own beliefs as an inductive guide. Correlational, experimental, and neuroimaging evidence suggests that people may be even more egocentric when reasoning about a religious agent’s beliefs (e.g., God). In both nationally representative and more local samples, people’s own beliefs on important social and ethical issues were consistently correlated more strongly with estimates of God’s beliefs than with estimates of other people’s beliefs (Studies 1– 4). Manipulating people’s beliefs similarly influenced estimates of God’s beliefs but did not as consistently influence estimates of other people’s beliefs (Studies 5 and 6). A final neuroimaging study demonstrated a clear convergence in neural activity when reasoning about one’s own beliefs and God’s beliefs, but clear divergences when reasoning about another person’s beliefs (Study 7). In particular, reasoning about God’s beliefs activated areas associated with self-referential thinking more so than did reasoning about another person’s beliefs. Believers commonly use inferences about God’s beliefs as a moral compass, but that compass appears especially dependent on one’s own existing beliefs.

Pentru o prezentare audio-video a ideilor principale ale articolului apasa aici.


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"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his nephew Peter Carr, from Paris, August 10, 1787; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 900-906.
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post Sep 20 2011, 09:01 AM
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Memorabile ultimele fraze din articolul indicat de study (sublinierea mea):

"People may use religious agents as a moral compass, forming impressions and making decisions based on what they presume God as the ultimate moral authority would believe or want. The central feature of a compass, however, is that it points north no matter what direction a person is facing. This research suggests that, unlike an actual compass, inferences about Godís beliefs may instead point people further in whatever direction they are already facing."


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post Oct 8 2011, 10:54 AM
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"Da, constiinta este glasul lui Dumnezeu!"....constiinta este glasul lui Dumnezeu!-Metafora cat incape!

Cand o persoana iti vorbeste direct, ii auzi glasul, cand nu, nu.
Daca spui ca e "glasul lui Dumnezeu"...atunci il auzi direct, nu il compui pe baza unor probabilitati.

Parerea mea.


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